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Judgment Day Math: The Numbers behind Harold Camping’s May 21 Claim

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May 21 calendarMaybe you’ve seen the ads—on a billboard, on the subway, on the side of an RV. Maybe you’ve encountered the believers in person. However you found out, there’s a good chance you’ve heard claims about something big happening Saturday, May 21.

That date, according to Christian radio broadcaster Harold Camping and his followers, is Judgment Day. This is no mere prediction, according to the Web site of Camping’s Family Radio Worldwide: "The Bible guarantees it!" First will come a massive earthquake, powerful enough to throw open all graves. Then will follow a slow dying off of all nonbelievers until the end of the world in October.

An "infallible, absolute proof" of Camping’s assertion rests on a head-spinning numerological argument about the number of days that have elapsed since Jesus was crucified. The date of the crucifixion is itself somewhat uncertain, but Camping takes it to be April 1 in 33 AD. Come May 21, 2011, Camping says, 722,500 days will have elapsed since that occurrence. And 722,500 is (5 x 10 x 17) x (5 x 10 x 17). Those numbers are important, according to Camping, because 5 symbolizes atonement, 10 represents completeness, and 17 is for heaven.

Why does 5 symbolize atonement? Here we turn to Exodus 30:15: "The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less than half a shekel, when they give an offering unto the Lord, to make an atonement for your souls." For those of you who prefer fractions, "half a shekel" would be 1/2 shekel; the decimally minded might favor 0.5 shekel. Camping is evidently in the latter camp; he takes this verse as evidence of 5′s association with atonement.

The figures and math get wispier from there. To quote from Family Radio’s "infallible proof": "The number 10 or 100 (10 multiplied by 10) or 1,000 (100 multiplied by 10) signifies completeness…. The Bible speaks of [Satan] being bound 1,000 years to signify that he was bound for the completeness of God’s plan, which in actuality of time was 1,955 years." As for 17? "God instructed Jeremiah that this purchase of [a field] for 17 shekels was done as a guarantee or demonstration that the time would come that Israel would again occupy Jerusalem. That is, people again would go to Heaven."

Let’s assume for the moment that the numerological treatment has some merit, that 5, 10 and 17 are somehow as biblically important as Camping believes. A purely mathematical complaint is that (5 x 10 x 17) x (5 x 10 x 17) is a completely arbitrary way to factor 722,500. A more concrete way to break down a large number into smaller numbers is to factor it into primes, which in the case of 722,500 yields the unique solution 2^2 x 5^4 x 17^2.

In other words, one could make a more compelling numerological argument for the importance of 722,500 if one started with a foundation of 2, 5 and 17 rather than 5, 10 and 17. (One could easily ignore the exponent 4, which is just 2 + 2, 2 x 2 or 2^2.) As noted above, atonement could just as easily be 2 or 5 (depending on whether one looks at "half" as 1/2 or 0.5), so why not both?

That’s the problem with numerology, of course—you can find meaning in just about anything, and just about any way you want, if you look hard enough. And the May 21 prediction is certainly not the first time that prognosticators have taken certain patterns (if one is so generous as to call them that) to be omens of import. As Scientific American columnist Michael Shermer noted in a Wall Street Journal op-ed, human history is threaded by predictions of the apocalypse. We at Scientific American have even speculated on several (nonbiblical) ways that the world as we know it might come to an end.

It should be noted that Camping himself has made such predictions—and garnered news headlines—before. Back in the 1990s he said he was "more than 99 percent sure" that the end was coming in September 1994. That date came and went, but this time Camping is absolutely certain. Given his fluidity with numbers, maybe he will be 110 percent sure the next time around.

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  1. 1. frankwest107 2:02 pm 05/19/2011

    Camping’s number are not arbitrary but are designated by the use of that number in Scripture. God associates certain numbers to portray his purpose and to teach us.
    The same with all the long geneologies in the bible. These serve as an independent method of keeping tract of the years, Because world calendar systems have changed many times but these long and tidious geneologies perserved scriptures calander of time.

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  2. 2. philsreligion 2:02 pm 05/19/2011

    Actually, this article incorrectly looks at a time hint that isn’t done to be a basis for Camping’s take on the event. For the record, I do not believe the end is coming on the 21st but I did want to clear a few things up. First, the date is set due to many various references which personally I found to defy statistical probability of random chance. For instance, one major indication for the date has to do with the chronology of major events:

    Creation to Flood: 6,000 + 23 years
    Flood to Cross: 5,000 + 23 years
    Creation to End: 13,000 + 23 years

    The dates in the bible are very specific so that we know that May 21, 2011 is 13,000 + 23 years. The statements in the article above point to just one (of 19) time clues and is probably the weakest clue of that.

    My personal opinion: in the 20 years of studying revelation and hearing of all kinds of dates, never (in religion or in secular predictions) have I ever seen such a plausible date as May 21, 2011. As a scientist with extensive higher math (advanced calculus, differential equations, etc) and probability training I’ve never seen a greater statistical merit for a date such as this one.

    In addition to the mathematical treatment of the date predictions, in my opinion Camping also makes solid alternate (from other bible scholars)interpretation of bible events.

    In conclusion: I think that we need to have a bit of respect for Camping and his predictions. For one I will be waking up Saturday morning we a little bit of uncertain expectations for the day!

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  3. 3. markdrums 2:14 pm 05/19/2011

    Probably for the same reason he ignores the very words Jesus told his disciples – "No Man knows the n day or the hour…"

    It’s just more ill-conceived speculation on the part of a false prophet / teacher.

    I just hope that on May 22nd, all his followers realize he’s a fake & abandon his (ahem)"ministry".

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  4. 4. jonwo23 2:23 pm 05/19/2011

    You defeat your own claim to be a "scientist" when you preface the claim with unsupportable numerology.

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  5. 5. jonwo23 2:25 pm 05/19/2011

    And I’ll write back on Rapture Morning with a few extra laughs at the numerologist’s expense.

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  6. 6. philsreligion 2:26 pm 05/19/2011

    Yes, I’ve always taken that to mean that there is no way anyone could know the date…but remember "No Man knows the n day or the hour…" goes on to say that NOT even Jesus knows. Jesus is God so how can he not know? This has puzzled me for the last 20 years and I’ve always questioned how that can be. Camping does handle this by defining the word "know" and suggests it doesn’t imply knowing as in prediction.

    Also, a number of people have said that he’s a false prophet – but a profit is one that prophesies without any sort of input. Camping does not prophesies the end but simply explains what is already in the bible.

    He is probably wrong…but the bible teaches us to use scripture as reproof, etc. He hasn’t done anything that (at least I would see) that has gone counter the word of God. His arguments are very solid but instead of outright tearing him apart we need to show a little respect.

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  7. 7. jcbikeski 2:27 pm 05/19/2011

    I think even his key dates for creation and such are questionable even if you trust the Bible. There’s a lot of evidence suggesting the Bible doesn’t give 100% lineage and there are questions about overlaps and such. The date Jesus died is contrary to most historical evidence. What you often get is a desire to make the numbers work leading to a particular way of reading things. When the bible says 1000 years is to a day and a day is to a thousand years most anyone would say that just means time is of little consequence to God. After all then should be multiple or divide by 365000(ish). Why are some times and numbers to be taken literally whereas some must be multiplied by 1000 or other such manipulation — the answer is do whichever proves your point.

    And all this even assumes that the Bible is complete and unedited from God and you KNOW it was meant to be taken literally as opposed to explaining concepts of God and his people. Human committees decided what books to include and which ones to leave out. Humans translated it. And finally even if EXACTLY the word of God it’s in a human language and we all know even the best legal and engineering documents are subject to interpretation because of the limitations of human language. This is why there are as many interpretations as there are ‘experts’ doing the interpreting.

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  8. 8. philsreligion 2:27 pm 05/19/2011

    Yes, I’ve always taken that to mean that there is no way anyone could know the date…but remember "No Man knows the n day or the hour…" goes on to say that NOT even Jesus knows. Jesus is God so how can he not know? This has puzzled me for the last 20 years and I’ve always questioned how that can be. Camping does handle this by defining the word "know" and suggests it doesn’t imply knowing as in prediction.

    Also, a number of people have said that he’s a false prophet – but a profit is one that prophesies without any sort of input. Camping does not prophesies the end but simply explains what is already in the bible.

    He is probably wrong…but the bible teaches us to use scripture as reproof, etc. He hasn’t done anything that (at least I would see) that has gone counter the word of God. His arguments are very solid but instead of outright tearing him apart we need to show a little respect.

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  9. 9. philsreligion 2:38 pm 05/19/2011

    Don’t take this wrong since I was in your very same shoes years ago. But your comments pretty much sums up the secular view of the bible. It is not an informed view but based on main stream media’s interpretation. You really need to read scripture and make your own informed choice about it.

    For instance, there is more evidence in support of Jesus, his death and ressurection, then there is for Julias Caesar! Dr. Frank Morrison a lawyer was fed up with Christians and their non rational accounts from the bible that he set out to prove it wrong. In the process Dr. Morrison was converted and wrote the book "Who moved the stone?" It wasn’t just the bible’s view of things but the secular non belivers who wrote about Jesus at the time.

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  10. 10. jcbikeski 2:45 pm 05/19/2011

    I’ve read most books of the bible over the years and haven’t seen anything that says if or what I should take highly literally, somewhat and so on. What I do know is that there have been many very sincere, prayerful, well studied people and some decide it’s literal, others less so and of each of those groups there are hundreds of minor to somewhat major discrepancies in how they interpret the words. There is only one right answer which means most (if not all) of those sincere, prayerful, well studied people are wrong. So the best I can do is to glean some good life lessons about forgiveness, charity and such and not worry about precise meanings that seem to evade 99% of those that have studied more than I could hope to do.

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  11. 11. DannyHaszard 3:00 pm 05/19/2011

    Watchtower Jehovah’s Witnesses have little credibility with their own fairy tale primary doctrine of Jesus `invisible’ second coming October 1914
    Watchtower society false prophets declare end of world in 1874, 1878, 1881, 1910, 1914, 1918, 1925, 1975, and 1984….
    Actual news releases on Armageddon 1975 prediction
    http://www.dannyhaszard.com/1975.htm
    —–
    Danny Haszard been there!

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  12. 12. sault 3:06 pm 05/19/2011

    Look, if the Bible had any predictive powers after all these years, I would be inclined to think it’s a big deal, but it just seems like a bunch of fairy tales spun up by a group of Bronze Age shepherds in an attempt to stabilize their little society and make more Bronze Age shepherds.

    Seriously, if it said thing like "It might be a good idea to boil your drinking water", millions of people wouldn’t have died from cholera and other diseases throughout the years. If it said, "slavery really isn’t a good idea after all", then we wouldn’t have that stain on our history. Some of the Proverbs are still useful, but a lot of the rest is junk like the prohibition on eating shellfish and the requirement to kill witches. I mean really, witches?

    Yeah, some people will get pissed at the things I’m saying, but at least ask yourself, is it possible that the idea of having a moody and jealous guy watching everybody from up in the clouds was just a useful tool to keep a bunch of illiterate people in line? I’m not saying there’s absolutely no God, Yaweh, Jehova, El, Allah, Universal Consciousness or something, but the odds of an omnipotent entity caring a great deal about an insignificant little corner of the world on some insignificant rock at the edge of a nondescript galaxy in a universe with 100s of billions of galaxies is a little absurd, right?

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  13. 13. Jim Lacey 3:13 pm 05/19/2011

    There is nothing new about Christian predictions of the end of the world as we know it, which was to be replaced by a New Jerusalem that would descend from heaven. Christ thought this world would end during the lifetime of his auditors (Mark 13) and Paul was sure the world would end during his own lifetime. Revelation predicts the return of Christ immediately. The view that God would intervene to overthrow Rome and establish his Kingdom explains the extreme statements of the Sermon on the Mount and Paul’s acceptance of current evils. How many others, on biblical grounds, have predicted the end of the world? Maybe one every year? However many there were, obviously they all were wrong. I seem to remember a song when I was a student in Switzerland in 1955, "Am zwanzigste Mai ist der Weltuntergang" (On the twentieth of May is the end of the world)! Weird.

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  14. 14. Momus 3:24 pm 05/19/2011

    "The date of the crucifixion [.....] to be April 1 in 33 AD

    This is a pretty dated April Fools’ joke.

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  15. 15. noquarterasked 3:24 pm 05/19/2011

    Thanks for doing the math, and mostly for pointing out that numerology means anything one wants it to mean. I’d go further. But not to repeat the argument, it’s all here:
    http://blog.unbiasedeye.com/2011/05/somebodys-got-to-drink-kool-aid.html

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  16. 16. diakonos 3:55 pm 05/19/2011

    Doesn’t all of this numerology hinge on one’s belief in the Bible exactly as written without any literary nuance or device? The books contained in the collection that we call "the Bible" have no such explicit time spans as Camping cites. Thus, they must have been deduced from information, the credibility of which depends upon a belief in the literal, un-nuanced text of the Bible. We have to take Adam and Eve LITERALLY here, folks, or the whole thing starts to wobble badly. I’m not ready to trash Darwin’s theory and all of the evidence that seems to support it, how about you?

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  17. 17. JesseS 4:15 pm 05/19/2011

    Could you cite that evidence please?

    As far as I know there are no contemporary accounts of Jesus. Even the New Testament itself is claimed to have been written after the fact.

    Although Jesus is mentioned, briefly, in the works of several writers (Suetonius, Pliny the Younger, Tacitus, Flavius Josephus) and occurs under the name of Yeshu in the Babylonian Talmud. However ALL of these sources are from decades (at times centuries) AFTER his supposed life and death and well after Christianity had become widespread.

    I won’t even get into how historians suspect much of that testimony (including some of the best such as the Testemonium Flavium) is fraudulent, changed by writers centuries later to give the historical Jesus SOME credence.

    Whereas for Julius Caesar we have hundreds of documents and references from contemporary writers and historians, statues, busts, engravings, coins with his face on them etc. There is, in other words, a literal mountain of evidence (if we felt like piling up such priceless artefacts in a great pile) of evidence for Julius Caesar.

    Saying we have more evidence for Jesus than Julius Caesar is, at BEST, proof that you are completely unable to fact-check your sources and at WORST evidence that you are knowingly spreading disinformation.

    Either way I find everything you claim, up to and including your assertion to be a scientist, suspect.

    If I’m wrong, what branch of science do you study? What is your specialty? Does it have any bearing on this discussion?

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  18. 18. das_hip 4:23 pm 05/19/2011

    Hrm…with so many different religions in the world, what makes one’s dates any more accurate than another? One must first believe their religion is the one true religion and IMO, that’s where the whole prediction argument starts to fall down. Hindu’s have the world ending about the time the Sun burns out.

    But that doesn’t even take in to account the literally hundreds of other "proofs" of the End of Days.

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  19. 19. matt7195 4:23 pm 05/19/2011

    Diakonos makes a great point.

    The histories and stories in the Bible make a lot more sense when put in context of what they were trying to tell people at the time than they do when adding in our own versions of numerology.

    Adam and Eve for example: Nobody could write when they were around, so this story had to have been written a long time later, after generations of passed down verbal heritage. So it would be easy for the timing to be off. But the story does a great job of representing that we humans are connected to the plants and animals around us but are different because we have "God". This "God" lets us understand the difference between doing good things and bad things and separates us from animals with no continence like snakes. The story gives us all the basis we need to understand how we’re different from other animals and that we still have animal urges to overcome. (killing, raping, etc.)

    By the same token, The Book of Revelation, written by John while he was in prison, shows a very fair representation of what would happen eventually if the world’s population continued to grow with the majority of people believing in a strict, uncompromising dogma. It doesn’t do a great job of showing exactly when the world will end, but it does give us hints on how to speed up the process. Just like when Jesus chastised his fellow Jews for holding on to outdated laws in the face of Roman occupation, John was warning that holding on to the laws of Jesus’ time once they were outdated could easily lead to our destruction. Birth control, anybody?

    The end of the world isn’t something to embrace, even if you are Christian. We should be working to make this world the best we can. If you read too closely, the Bible doesn’t promise us any alternative if we mess this one up.

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  20. 20. carlyy11 5:58 pm 05/19/2011

    I disagree with this article, but I will be pretty on edge Saturday morning

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  21. 21. jimmybones 6:48 pm 05/19/2011

    I will believe anything these doomsday prophets claim when they put their money where their mouth is and donate everything they own to charity, since, you know, they are going to go to heavan anyways and won’t need it. If they truly believe in what they say then they should not have a problem with that.

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  22. 22. robert schmidt 7:21 pm 05/19/2011

    "His arguments are very solid but instead of outright tearing him apart we need to show a little respect." I’m sorry but I think you don’t understand the word solid. His ideas are idiotic and delusional. They have no rational basis. They have no basis in Christianity. It is no better than me predicting the end of days based on the number of the page it was written on. We should show him the psych-ward. You clearly illustrate your own credibility by your comments.

    "there is more evidence in support of Jesus, his death and ressurection" what a load of crap! The bible is not even consistent in its accounts of these events. There is more evidence for the existence of Bilbo Baggins than Jesus.

    Well, what a surprise, we have a religious nut who is both ignorant and irrational. Who would have figured?

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  23. 23. foxinwinter 8:36 pm 05/19/2011

    Perhaps the way to stop religious rogues from preying upon the gullible is to make them liable for damages suffered by their dupes. An article in the paper today suggested that Mr. Camping has taken in over $100 million dollars. Some of it has come from frightened people who buy into his nonsense. Better yet, have Mr. Camping post a performance bond so that if his insane prediction fails to materialize, there will be some compensation for the people he has gulled. His "end of times" prediction is fraud and extortion, plain and simple

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  24. 24. deltaclinical@gmail.com 8:39 pm 05/19/2011

    Camping didn’t do the arithmetic right. Here’s the gist of Camping’s calculation: He believes Christ was crucified on April 1, 33 A.D., (What a cool April Fool’s joke to play on The Savior!) exactly 722,500 days before May 21, 2011. That number, 722,500, is the square of 5 x 10 x 17.

    Now, I have no problem at all with the world ending, since I won’t have to pay bills anymore. However, Mr. Camping has made a slight arithmetical error. The proper calculation is not 5x10x17. It’s (5×10) x (10×17), the square of which gives you 72,250,000, NOT 722,500.

    As he says, 722,500 days is 1978 years, so 1978 + 33 = 2011 — but his numbers are wrong because of his arithmetic error.

    72,250,000 days is 197,809.7 years, and since 197,810 + 33 = 197,843, it’s going to be quite a while before the world comes to an end. I’m sure the earth will end in the year 195,832, mind you, but that’s quite a way off, so it isn’t going to happen this year. So, if I am right, you can sleep late on Saturday, 21 May, 2011. If I’m wrong, you’ll never know.

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  25. 25. jusher 8:52 pm 05/19/2011

    The Bible makes it clear that no one knows the hour and the day, except the Father. Now, someone mentioned that both the Father and the Son are God, which is true, but the Father is not the Son. They are both God, as is the Holy Spirit, but they are also three persons. This is the mystery of the Trinity.

    Yes, one can be a devout Christian, and a scientist. In fact, I find much in Einstein’s theories that relates to my beliefs as a Christian. But that is another discussion. As to Camping, I believe he is a bit of a kook and also possibly a dangerous cult leader. I am pretty sure he made a similar prediction back in the late Eighties. These sort of things have been going on for years. Besides, how can the world end in May of 2011 when it is supposed to end in December of 2012? Seriously, we are told that when Jesus does return, it will be like a thief in the night. I am pretty sure that does not mean he will have left anything as obvious as Harold Camping is claiming.

    In any case, if he does return at 6:00 p.m. on Saturday, May 21, 2011, he will find me in church, serving at a Latin Mass (I am an Anglo-Catholic) so I’m not that worried. But I seriously doubt there is anything to worry about.

    The word did not end any of the other times people have made predictions like this. In my lifetime, I remember when California was supposed to fall off (thankfully it didn’t, since I now live there), previous predictions of Mr. Camping, the panic over the year 2000, etc.

    Of course, I have also seen the tragedy of groups that committed suicide because they were told it was the way to catch a ride on a space ship. At least this time no one is planning something that stupid.

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  26. 26. nightlesshadows 9:52 pm 05/19/2011

    The bible clearly states that the date is unknown. This day could happen at any moment. it could be may 21 it could be a year from now. we wont know. We only know the warning signs.

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  27. 27. bewertow 10:12 pm 05/19/2011

    Religion is for idiots

    It’s sad that so many fools out there still believe in sky wizards and jewish zombies

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  28. 28. shlbycindy 10:18 pm 05/19/2011

    The Mayan’s are going to be upset.

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  29. 29. oldvic 3:42 am 05/20/2011

    I’m feeling an uncontrollable urge to predict (this predicting stuff must be contagious), so here goes: I’ll be back here next Monday morning (I can’t get on the Web sooner than that after Saturday), laughing my head off.

    If not, you’ll all get your money back.

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  30. 30. Bacchanalia 3:44 am 05/20/2011

    I wouldn’t regard advanced calculus and differential equations as extensive higher maths ("maths" because I’m English), and in any case basing simple stats on mythical numbers is flawed from the start (to say the least!). I seriously question ANY judgement in ANY walk of life made by someone with the critical ability of a creationist (defined as "belief despite the evidence to the contrary")

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  31. 31. biggus56 7:51 am 05/20/2011

    I am truly puzzled. It’s a gloriously sunny day (and will be on Sunday), yet we’re wasting time on this tosh?

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  32. 32. noseitall 1:43 pm 05/20/2011

    It will be interesting to see what his fallback position will be on Monday…

    "the numbers were slightly off, but it’s coming soon!"

    "those people really were taken to heaven, but replaced with exact replicas!"

    "we now realize there is a time-delay with heaven, just as there is with CNN on a satellite link. So, it will be a couple years until the beaming-up actually starts! (long enough for my 89-year-old butt to be outta here to avoid answering any more questions)"

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  33. 33. rock johny 1:57 pm 05/20/2011

    the trinity is such a bogus teaching, it does a disservice to God & Christ, misrepresenting both and Satan loves it being his pet teaching; is it any wonder that some form of a trinity is concurrently taught in so many different religions and irrespective of civilization or era?
    But people love a mystery even a numerological one such as this loon is proposing.

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  34. 34. KnownHuman 3:14 pm 05/20/2011

    How does he account for the part about pre-tribulations Rapture not being included in the Bible?

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  35. 35. ennui 8:36 pm 05/20/2011

    Wowee, we do not have to pay any more taxes. By the time the IRS goes after us we will all be out of reach.

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  36. 36. ennui 8:44 pm 05/20/2011

    He will Sunday tell you that he found a small miscalculation as his abacus had fallen on the floor.
    Then,he will ask his followers to send some more money to buy a new, improved Abacus for $5 million.

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  37. 37. Zachary 10:39 pm 05/20/2011

    ok so it is set, we all meet back here the day (which is now plan B formerly known as armageddon day) in 2012 if the newly appointed armageddon doesn’t pull through. cheers cya then :)

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  38. 38. bordercollieluv 10:40 pm 05/20/2011

    "I don’t want to be a product of my environment. I want my environment to be a product of me."

    "There is a crack in everything. That’s how
    the light gets in"

    "Now they will know why they are afraid of the dark. Now they will
    learn why they fear the
    night."

    "Why is a soap bubble round?"
    "See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over Again for the truth to sink in. To kind of catapult the propaganda" ~ G.W. Bush

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  39. 39. bordercollieluv 10:42 pm 05/20/2011

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TRNtO1lu1g&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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  40. 40. Animaddox 7:44 am 05/21/2011

    Apparently, the Family Radio station has been shut down… Now, where do you suppose he’s off to…?

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  41. 41. Grumpyoleman 10:35 am 05/21/2011

    Harold and his outfit are making a bundle off of people who are easily duped. Watch for a new date next week 2-years from now. That’s how long it took to kill off William Miller’s cash cow in 1841-3 during the years of the "Great Disappointment."

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  42. 42. Grumpyoleman 10:38 am 05/21/2011

    I heard that when the Tribulation union went out on strike, God decided that it would be too expensive and cancelled it.

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  43. 43. jonwo23 11:51 am 05/21/2011

    Okay, I’m laughing at you now.

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  44. 44. matty_jay 11:27 am 05/23/2011

    hehahahaha…. I’m not a religious man, but here are few appropriate quotes that I think you may appreciate.

    “Every word of God is flawless,” as it says in Proverbs, “Do not add to his words or he will rebuke you as a liar” (Proverbs 30:5-6)
    &
    “As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his folly” (Proverbs 26:11).

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  45. 45. Pazuzu 5:06 pm 05/23/2011

    We might have a moment of introspection as to why we have such fun at Camping’s expense? Are we maybe playing the see-saw game, where we put other people down on order to put ourselves up?

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  46. 46. gesres 10:57 pm 05/25/2011

    Pazuzu @ 50: "where we put other people down on order to put ourselves up?"

    No, we put Camping down because he cheated and lied to thousands of people. And those victims laid themselves open to this deception by being gullible fools who think there is any truth inside text written thousands of years ago by ignorant, superstitious tribesmen.

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  47. 47. Patmos 4:53 pm 05/26/2011

    Camping is playing whit things that I can’t handle. The fact is that the Bible will keep is secret and reveal nothing from those who want to tried understand what (GOD)keep aways from us. No mather if you have faith or not.

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  48. 48. rwstutler 5:26 pm 05/26/2011

    It seems most likely that Camping was using "proofiness", or a mathematically based argument as part of an advertising campaign, in an effirt to raise money. Looks like consumer fraud, at least to me.

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  49. 49. TheNYCFreeAdviceMan 9:17 am 05/27/2011

    4get the MATH! There was no Moschiah (Messiah) named Yoshua (Jesus) at the time of King Herod and John The Baptist. John The Baptist was a follower of a Messianic Jewish sect (The Essenes) which held a recounted story of the actual Yoshua who was Anointed King (Pharaoh) at the time of Moses, some 1,300 years earlier! Evidence can be found that suggests Moses was also the same person as The Hebrew-Egyptian Pharaoh Akhenaten and that his son, Tutankhamen (whose Hebrew name was Yoshua), was murdered by Pinehas inside the Tabernacle Temple in Southern Sinai. Why? Because he was trying to convince his father to return to Egypt and Co-Rule and allow both the earlier Ancient Egyptian Religion and the ATONist Spiritual Philosophy (quasi-Religion and basis of all 3 Monotheisms today) that his father had begun to teach at Amarna! John The Baptist…who is the reason Christianity exists today…claimed to have seen Yoshua rise Reborn! Of course; that was probably a vision induced by some abnormal brain chemistry! So; in conclusion: there is not point in any Numerical Hocus-Pocus when there was no Yoshua at the time of King Herod.

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  50. 50. bucketofsquid 10:30 am 06/2/2011

    OK people, the world ended. Why are you still here? Get busy rapturizing!

    Yes, as a matter of fact I am making fun of a senile old man and the pathetic goobers that fell for his delusion. If you have a problem with that then get some legislation passed to protect the senile from themselves. Until then I shall mock until it is my turn to be the delusional senile person. That will take maybe 2 decades tops, probably much sooner.

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  51. 51. abstractposters 3:12 pm 02/18/2012

    Hey, I have made a bible video which illustrates the first chapter of Genesis with math. Here is the link … http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2cI-0vpdPc

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